No one can offer another opinion because the Spirit spoke. Our vision as a community of followers of Jesus is simple:Shalom for individuals, for our City, and for the World. What is especially tragic is that this is not the way of Christ and people and congregations are being deeply harmed. I can see why a church would want to remove the branding on their name and marketing. God says to the top apostles: You adulteress, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity toward God. Its a cultic religious spirit which values worldly influence under false apostles and prophets. Three things that make any church suspect are (1) keeping the pastors salary a secret, and (2) keeping the budget a secret, and (3) not having any oversight by a denomination, no way for members to appeal a disputed decision of the leadership to a higher authority. The wow is in the how. Clean up demands a paradigm shift and they dont want that. For over forty years, the Vineyard movement has consider itself a worship movement, focused on welcoming the power and presence of God. Theyve been very intentional to have that church., Weve got to remember that actually humility goes a long way and the ego is so powerful and we need to be so careful, she added. The Roys Report reached out to Greig for a statement, but he did not reply. YES, he did. it is often said Follow the money. but if they keep the books and even the names of the board members a secret I guess it isnt very easy to follow the money. This is the highest call, that we would fulfill our purpose on earth. This aligns with what we have historically seen in American evangelicalism since the early 19th century. Presumably there was no vote by the Anaheim Vineyard congregation to leave the denomination. God is on the move. They ascribe an appearance of godliness to it, but it rejects the power of true obedience to Jesus. But the board of Vineyard Anaheim repeatedly rejected the national boards request for a recorded meeting. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Lord save as many as you still can, sorry Lord, we cried out but no one would listen, The pride the pretense, the elevation over man; the power; false presumption regarding the Biblical spirit of prophecy with Jesus totally obscured. Knowing that we all make mistakes and sin, we live in the reality that Christian relationships must be based on the cross of Christ and not mere human affinity. We dont pressure people and we also understand confidentiality! Is the Scott way really how the Holy Spirit would lead a Christian pastor? Echoing the Vineyard USA boards weeks of requests to the church, national director Pathak told The Roys Report via e-mail: We believe there should be no gap between accountability and relationship.. This involves partnership with a Person beyond ourselves. It is a betrayal of any decent understanding of Godly relationship. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I have been a member of the Anaheim Vineyard since it met a Canyon High School and John Wimber played keyboard during worship. Im not a bible scholar nor do I have any comment about this unfortunate situation. to all those who are truly hurt, may the Lord heal you. Until the Body of Christ overcomes their need for power (just like the world) then our ability to be a true light in the darkness is dimmed. Balanced, Spirit filled, and full of wisdom and Gods authority. Unfortunately, the Anaheim church still retains their brand name DIVISION as an INSTITUTION divided from the other local churches. I have to say this decision (is) morally wrong. In 2019, Alan Scott published his book Scattered Servants: Unleashing the Church to Bring Life to the City. Im not at a midnight dance club but Im @ the 6:00pm night service @ the Anaheim Vineyard. 9:19-23) to all mankind to see many come to faith in Christ.

But leaders across the Vineyard movement say the churchs words and actions have broken their shared fellowship. The Scotts havent shared what about being in the Vineyard would have stopped them from following the Spirit, Creedy stated via e-mail. Accountability, transparency, openness is a vastly healthier model. We'll also share resources that will encourage and equip you as a follower of Jesus. . Were located at 738 Walnut St, on the corner of Jackson & Walnut, Pursue Culturally Relevant Mission In The World. Therefore, our relationship with Jesus is not meant to be stagnant, but dynamic, intimate and transformative. John Wimber said, The manifestation of the Spirit is not supposed to be the exception its supposed to be the norm. We believe that Gods presence is real and transformative, so we regularly create space to allow the Holy Spirit to work in our community, including times of prayer for healing, to hear from God, and more! He and his wife live in the Washington, D.C. area with their two children. Judah was supposed to see what happened (Assyria) to the ten tribes of Israel and repent but instead ignored Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos and more to do even worse exactly what the churches that rejected Toronto have done since 1995 learning nothing.. Babylon is coming as a result. What once was so wonderful ended up damaging so many believers. For 4 years I worshiped and studied the Bible under John Wimber. ( United States Coalition of Apostolic Leaders) All group think minus Jesus lusting for power and influence over the world system. You dont have to be a member or know all of the secret handshakes. Communion is a way to remember Christs death on the Cross and invite his presence and power! We pray for the sick, we confront injustice, and we seek to hear the voice of God on behalf of others. I became a member of Anaheim Vineyard that night. But in the light of their complete refusal to do so with anyone, I have to say this decision (is) morally wrong. Whatever can be shaken is going to happen. No matter how brief an explanation Pastor Scott gave, bless him anyway! The church declined to confirm who its current board members are. - Women's Ministry Event, Catch the Wave- CRE8 VBS & FAMILY Camp 2022, Catch the Wave AUGUST 3-5 Family Beach Camp 2022. Hmmm. I truly am sorry to see the hurt everyone is in. We are called to bring the Gospel of the kingdom to every nook and cranny of creation, faithfully translating the message of Jesus into language and forms that are relevant to diverse peoples and cultures. EVERYTHING a pulpit and pew church does is controlled by institution rules, not Jesus rules. Thank you for covering this, Roys Report! Since the late 1970s, what is now Vineyard USA has coalesced a voluntary fellowship of churches with shared charismatic theology and practice. Jesus commands are optional up against institution rules. website hosted with from Nampa, Idaho.

They have no idea what godly relationship is. I have personally appealed to the Scotts for a conversation, just to understand, as a friend, without judgment, he wrote. The song the worship band is singing is His Banner over Me. Vineyard leaders around the world are reeling. But the first job for Babylon historically and scripturally is the destruction of Assyria as Nahum spoke it.

We believe that we are able to meet and experience God through the presence of the Holy Spirit. I have appreciated the Roys Report for simply substantiating and detailing what is so painfully obvious to all of us. Late Vineyard leader John Wimber founded the charismatic church in 1977. We ignored the occasional snide and catty comments from Alan Scott regarding Vineyard prior to his arrival. We believe that ministry in Jesus name should be expressed in concrete ways through the local church. I cant imagine the congregation agreeing with this decision unless so many generations have passed that they do not remember the roots that they have been blessed with. Others closer to home are also outraged. Our mission is to know Jesus and make Jesus known! He now says it is sobering to observe what path the Scotts have taken. Many are unwittingly falling away from Jesus Christ minus discipleship under JESUS. Accountability to a strong, frank, experienced and independently minded leadership team. Reach, Restore, Resource, and Release Champions to Reclaim Gods World. However, Greig stepped down as of March 19, multiple sources close to the situation confirmed. The Scotts are very intentional, she said. The operative word is fragmentation caused by autonomous individualism that demeans any proper accountability to the historic confessions of the Church (think Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed, et al.) There is no salvation to be found in the church (a little c) only in Jesus. For nearly 2,000 years, the Church has regularly remembered the Lords Supper by receiving the Bread & Cup as a reminder of Gods love and to experience his grace! They have double honor contrived into a paycheck, title, and ruling status. Wanting a deeper connection with the local church body? False apostles and prophets most all. Jesus taught his disciples to remember and honor his death by celebrating Communion. Most Vineyard churches exist because an individual or team left an existing Vineyard, went to a new location, and started a new congregation. The poor are to be served as though serving Jesus Himself. Shalom means The webbing together of God, humans, and all creation in justice, fulfillment, and delight is what the Hebrew prophets call shalom. I am not a rookie. We do not look down on our kids and youth because they are young, but we seek to engage and involve kids and youth in what Jesus is doing. John Wimber once said that faith is spelled R-I-S-K. We believe that God meets us in our weakness when we obey His leading. At the time, Vineyard scholar Creedy gave it a glowing review. We are hungry for an encounter. The false apostolic prophetic movement urgently needs to renounce allegiance to the world system of politics and embrace the gospel of the Kingdom and New Covenant of Jesus Christ. Vineyard Anaheim Pastor Alan Scott announced in a statement on March 20 that the church board had decided to disaffiliate from Vineyard USA. We seek to create an environment where His presence is manifested. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. This is our highest calling. The one comment I would like to make is, that night back in July of 1990, Jesus showed me that He is the best Dance Partner I ever had! We encourage you toget connected to as many of our communicationplatforms as possible: Email, Facebook, Instagram, and the Website. At that meeting, the Scotts gave Pathak a three-paragraph letter announcing the churchs exit from Vineyard. This lack of accountability has been called out. Did he not go because he was opposed? UK-based pastor and author Pete Greighad announced January 23 that he was appointed to the Vineyard Anaheim board. The best thing to do in my opinion is to shine a light on these situations so that the members of that congregation can make a choice to either demand transparency or if they wish blindly follow their local leadership regardless of accountability.

Brad And we wonder why there is so much hostility to the Christian faith? He then led the movement from Vineyard Anaheim, beginning in 1982 until his death in 1997. The churchs decision . We love kids and believe that teaching them about Jesus is a great responsibility and privilege! Reach: Learning how to bring encounter with us into the streets, schools, workplaces, and marketplaces of our world is a core strategy of the Vineyard Church of Salinas. The recent public announcement comes weeks after a dinner meeting on February 24 between the Scotts and Pathak, who had been national director for only seven weeks. Listen, I love them. Sadly, Pentecostalism which sees itself as a movement where the Holy Spirit can shape individuals and congregations to reflect the Christ-centered teaching of the New Testament has abandoned its heritage and modeled itself after corporate America. Believers are to demonstrate perfect oneness to the watching world but brand naming demonstrates DIVISION. The Church exists for the sake of those who are exiled from God. Tom Creedy, a UK-based theologian and blogger who attends a Vineyard church in London, said that the history and memories of Vineyard Anaheim make it a special place to our movement.. With multiple debt-free buildings on 5.7 acres in Orange County, Vineyard Anaheim is estimated to be worth tens of millions. Worship is at the heart of the Vineyard because the Bible teaches that worship is a lifestyle. I was Vineyard for 20 years.

Is this the board of a for-profit corporation or a body of believers in Jesus? Openness to all the faithful members of the church. ( James 4:4). Minus Jesus. If the Scots and the Riddles heard correctly then my prayer is that God would give me understanding. I sure wouldnt want to have to answer for invoking the Holy Spirit as cover for an utter lack of transparency. Christy Wimber, ex-daughter-in-law and ministry protg of John Wimber, called the move confusing and heartbreaking in an Instagram post. Whether you want personal prayer or to be in a room where people are praying for everyone, weve got you covered! Wimber meant well but so much of his teaching is easily shown to conflict with the scripture and quite frankly between Vineyard and Hillsong that provided the soundtrack to the Toronto nightmare it doesnt surprise me to see both being shaken at once. Hmmm.

Vineyards are run anti-congregationally, more like an episcopal system. Every Sunday we have an opportunity for you to receive prayer! Nursing moms or parents / guardians of newborns are welcome to hang with your little ones in our nursery! I will not be surprised if this is just the beginning of God avenging his Shem against it lest anyone think it was him in it that led his people further and further from him with an arrogance most of the comments here plainly recognise at work. What they are doing seems to be the opposite of the humble, servant posture, Creedy stated. Maybe this is one of the reasons we see so many people deconstructing their faith and leaving the church (little c) because the church no longer offers the light we seek. Transparency in making clear to all the reasons for church development and change. Vineyard USA board chairman John Kim asked pointedly in a March 19 letter to the churchs board: What do you need to say in private about this decision that cannot be said publicly?. Indeed. So. The mother church of Vineyard offered no reasons for its departure beyond a desire to say yes to the Holy Spirit.. Or maybe you just wanta cup of tea or water? We dont care how youre dressed, how many tattoos you have, or what candidate you voted for.

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