Personally, I'm going to experiment with earth shifter and obedience for an Armageddon/Fury setup. For whirlwind purpose, you will get more average dmg per hit with WP, true ( WP 106 vs GP 86 ), but less attacks per second ( WP 4 vs GP 6 ). Thanks. Durability: 420 There's a few other builds with minor adjustments, such as an Amazon Lightning Strike build using Infinity, or some variation of a Plague Javelin build using dual Plague runeword on an act 5 merc. In my view, this supports equipping reapers toll even without pride. At 4:33 you can see the dynamics of CB at work. Or you could max Meditation + Prayer to allow your merc to use a different weapon. In fact, my barbarian build straight out of nightmare can solo hell in an 8 player game, including on ladder. By using this technique you minimize the time under which your weapon slows down whirlwinds. This skill is in an interesting spot because it always hits, possibly making it a great alternative to Jab or Fend in some situations. In addition to this a Werebear has better faster cast rate breakpoints than a Druid in his human form. At 60% proportion, Thunder Maul against undead is surpassed. A great change, and it has made a pure Summon Druid viable. Nos coil belt So in an eth zod'd reapers toll, you were getting barely any additional IAS at all. (potentially there is an additional hidden 100%). It has a ton of scaling built in with synergies, but don't expect to be blowing up the entire screen like a Necromancer. Having a weapon with ITD would be very useful when attacking magic immune enemies. The cold effect from Hurricane is very nice, and you naturally get a very powerful Cyclone Armor. It is interesting, how deep this game is. These buffs make her feel much better overall without feeling like you'd need a top tier bow/xbow to play through Hell. They mean compared to hammerdin or sorc, the time it takes him to clear an area for instance (among others) shows him at great disadvantage. But it sure is fun. No Vyrtodo or Star Pact Bazooka or even the LOD Archon Twister build (all of which are pushing over GR130 on console). Because of the crazy high damage of the build already and the fact that you break the physical immunes yourself, you aren't really locked into any one Merc and have the ability to be flexible here. Add in LoH, GFace and Gore Riders ans SoE all found in NM. Totally agree. Because it's much more boring than what op suggested. But for ww GP looks way better. Watch Dbrunski's video on the reaper wolf and don't listen to these people who half ass know what they're talking about or their information is old. The rest go into Fissure, Lycanthropy, and Werewolf. You can see that even an 8 player game would be easy for this character. I'm not exactly sure what is causing Shockwave to hit so hard. The only thing that I can think of that it lacks is procs on hit (because ww doesnt activate chance to cast on strike). Clear speed was just an example, I clearly have written: the time it takes him to clear an area for instance (among others) shows him at great disadvantage. Druid has other interesting options like eth tomb reaver or eth upd rib cracker for zod targets.

Whirlwind is just as powerful as every other character with cheap gear. Remember youll have feral rage fully buffed so youre flying across chaos sanctuary at near charge-adin speed while your merc is lagging behind. You won't have Cyclone Armor, and if you do it won't be as strong. Justifiable in 2.3 or earlier when it was best in show. Eh, not so sure. I made my first EBOTD what's it worth? Maybe it's better to shift back to human and reposition with enigma, versus going with Armageddon? I like the leach and AoE from WW more I guess. A Shael does nothing for his attack speed in this case. As far as i know, TM offers 106 average damage and 4 attacks per second in ww. But its insane to me that anyone would think its not a strong build. Max Lycanthropy Youll find lots of good bases before you find another zod. Currently PayPal works only with USD, use different payment method if you want to checkout in other currencies. Yes, it's also the best Merc weapon for most physical builds, but reaper wolf is a new build in 2.4 that is crazy strong. This is better than those for most mele builds due to the decrepify. This is going to be a very fun character, but would require a healthy amount of +Skills to allow for less investment into Werewolf and Lycanthropy. Because this is best in slot for a2 merc in basically every mele build. I believe you are in mistake here. Reaper's Toll.) Gore riders / War Travs But you can easily reach the 75% mark, especially with treachery. I don't. Maxing out Cleansing aura for the synergy gives it decent damage now as well. For this reason I recommend an Act 1 merc with Faith (Inner Sight + Fanaticism AR), or Act 2 Blessed Aim merc. Here is a demonstration. Now, the ias on your other gear is directly increasing your IAS, as it does with any other build. A merc with Reaper's Toll or Lawbringers adds a ton of damage to Shockwave. Why are you advocating for Amn runes on two separate posts lol. There are better uses for zod and the 15/40s imo. Getting Throwing Mastery above level 30 would be very helpful. Which is AMAZING to have. Either use a Shael Rune for straight IAS, or, put a 15/40 jewel in it and let them shine. One thing to keep in mind for anyone new to Throw Barbs: Attack Rating is your friend. Can solo p8 chaos runs crazy fast (fastest melee full clear speed). Titan (or semi-titan) Whirlwind Barb. The truth is that Fist of the Heavens and Holy Bolt are so strong in 2.4 that it really doesn't matter what aura you use. Sadly, hit blinds target and hit causes monster to fee both work with ww, though they are similar to Necro and Barb curses, they are not the actual curses. It's certainly not going to be slaying any cows, but for any area with a mix of undead/demons (chaos sanctuary) it's really strong. I dream of a perfect 15/3 eBotD TM, but in almost 20 years Ive never seen an eth superior TM drop. I had been hoping to do exactly your suggestion but it's only 1hnd swords, cant use axes. I was using harmony bow on switch instead of cta because you don't even need the bonus to hp or mana, but the run speed is nice. Lots of people here posting not understanding the power of the reaper wolf build in 2.4. it's the most dominant melee build in 2.4, and Eth Reapers with zod is the best possible weapon for it. I have an eth superior (+15% dmg 11% durability) colossus voulge with an almost perfect Insight roll in it (max crit strike, 16 aura, very high % dmg roll) and I still prefer my non-eth Toll with an Amn in it (dont have an eth one yet) most of the time. Yes you could go old school and give this to your merc and use ETH Tomb Reaver with 3os (which is far rarer than this) + you have to use Zod and TWO 40/15s in it. Except for one thing the Werebear has, which took me by surprise. I personally like using A1 Faith merc (dont have pride) as you hit the highest attack speed bp and its actually better dps than A2 might merc. I would make a ebotd. Registering is quick & easy :) Now that I think about it, I see very little situations where thunder maul wouldnt be the best overall. The Frenzy duration synergy will help them a lot as well. You could max Holy Shock + Resist Lightning to get a damage aura that also improves your FoH. Unrelated news, my current eBotD TM isnt superior and has a lowly 358% ed. Ive seen streamers mention how strong the Eth Reapers is for Fury druid in 2.4. but I dont quite understand what made it so good? Eth Reapers Toll w/ zod Thanks alot for clarifying this. No 15/40 in my collection yet, sadly. Another option is Hurricane and it's synergies. Use Drafts & Revisions Ebotd is great you wont be disappointed. Ill really boost their dmg and survivability. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d3/t/make-ww-barbs-good-again/44528. > I will upvote as much as I can Stop being so condescending and assuming youre better than others. So an eth Reapers toll used to hit a very low IAS breakpoint and swing super super slow, but now it can reach the max thresher IAS breakpoint, which is a huge buff to a weapon that has high damage and proc's decrepify (the best proc to have as a physical damage dealer) 1/3 swings. People are saying WW barb in hell is only effective with godly gear. I love dbrunski's videos, so will check it out. I personally like the idea of making it a "Ward" that taunts enemies to it, kind of acting like Amazon's Decoy, and possibly swapping the physical damage synergy with the slowing effect. Give and Receive Likes Barbarians wielding weapons with slow Whirlwind speeds should try and keep their whirls very short, so as to take full advantage of the 4th and 8th frame "free" hits. Dbrunski just made a video about this. Treachery (fade is almost always proc'd as a bonus) Not a waste of a zod either way, its a very limited use rune, I have a zod in my eth reapers toll. If so is the difference very noticable? Only way Id use Zod on a Druid would be a BOTD or a 3 Soc eth tomb reaver. BotD outperforms for the undead. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Giant Thresher is the sexiest of the 3, TM is much sexier than GP in my opinion, Both of them looks in hands of barbarian very good. I have the right to withdraw my consent at any time. Deletes Signature Ehhh debatable just because of your AS you'll have about 100% uptime on decrep, and especially as a fury druid your Merc gets Lost a lot . https://youtu.be/UjbzzLlVjn0, Its just something that shows up on GoMule. In your very post here your suggested equipment, with less than that and less effort a Sorceress would be considerably more viable. I mean, doing three whirls in one second? 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Sanctuary also does a couple things not listed in its tooltip. Best usage of a zod I found in sp is on an eth gpa botd for a merc soloing trav with a gf barb. One problem with Sanctuary is that it doesn't provide any Attack Rating. The new Blade Mastery will also help Throw Barbs in melee combat. As we probably all know, recently Epic have been trying to nerf jail builds. Required fields are marked *. I believe Throw Barb will become a top tier Barb build in 2.4. Eth ribcracker gets down to 20 frames over five hits. I am flexible this time around, when it comes to PvM vs PvP. Infinity is a solid choice for your merc. Btw did you do any similiar testing for Fury druid with other top tier weapon choises like Eth Tomb Reaver or upped Ribcracker? Can you share your gear and skills that cleared P8? Just give it a 15/40 jewel or even shaek rune and he will outdamage and outheal your puny amn, since Reapers Toll already has lifesteal on it (and lifesteal is overrated since its severely reduced on Hell and doesnt work on undead, so killing faster is the best for durability). Fun/variation? Commentdocument.getElementById("comment").setAttribute("id","aec6cd01b3ee7b884767a1e49d04564e");document.getElementById("b7ae61571b").setAttribute("id","comment"); Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. If they had hit amps target or hit decrepifies target or hit life taps target, it would be way over powered. It could be done when fighting boss or, in general, for a very short time. Stay informed about promotions and new products. Solid choice although I would just use it on a merc unless sold on a fury druidaslll as there are better choices (eth ribcracker I think). I still wouldnt waste a Zod on it with a Druid build, seriously. Do you think WW would work with this weapon? Unfortunately the grey color that comes to eth. What should my first EBOTD be? The Werebear hits harder now, but not necessarily faster. Is it truly better than upped ribcracker or 3 socket eth tomb reaver with zod and 2x 40/15? I just play casually and like the eBotd. The site uses user profiling, including via cookies, including analytical files (more in the Privacy Policy). In ladder at least. mercs helm AND thresher (specifically if using toll since it has no inherent IAS) - it will push him perfectly onto that breakpoint to speed up jabs being 45 treachery + 30 from jewels = 75. Either way, each skill could make for a pretty good 1 point wonder when trying to deal with immunities. I'm not sure, everything about that is great except the attack speed. I always heard eBotD war pike was the more popular one with the average player, Well, average player is not going to exploit the first two free hitchecks ww offers like AtomicPunk is doing, thats for sure. All good points though. Zod is going for around a vex right now too. I was using Reaper's on my Fury Druid even before 2.4. Speaking of which, if one had a tombreaver what would you fill those sockets with? Now??? As Ive said elsewhere, its even better dps if you use Faith on a rogue merc. Thorns was rebalanced, but I didn't really notice any improvement. Merc: Probably an Insight merc, though depending on your gear you might be okay without one. Give it a try and see if you like it. When I dump all my stat points in strength totalling 638 strength, I get 27K max damage on Whirlwind with a Pride/Might merc. It's a fun play. I honestly dont know how it works. Cringe. Highlords wrath Still, the main problem I have when using Leap Attack is the "jumping" animation, which occurs before he becomes airborne.

Impale has had it's animation speed improve, and it ends up making more of a difference than I thought it would. Discreet Notifications In an 8 player game I instat kill almost everything. OM is faster, but I dont understand breakpoints in relation to FPS, so you could very well be correct. Some of these results are about as expected, but some others are a bit surprising. They mean compared to hammerdin or sorc, the time it takes him to clear an area for instance (among others) shows him at great disadvantage. The choice between Fire Claw or Fury is personal preference, however I think Fury is just too good to pass up right now. I can't think of anything else that comes close to eth tomb reavers value. Like others have said, eth thresher on the merc is probably the most useful approach. I think all your points are correct here up until the faith giving you higher dps than might Merc. ZOD is fairly rare right? Yes, you should socket this with the zod and build a 2.4 fury druid. This tactic is used by many Barbarians online and is nicknamed "The Dance of Death". Short demo: https://youtu.be/r5wqmpEx6Dw This subreddit is for people who want to discuss Diablo 2 and Diablo II Resurrected. If you want to test it out, consider using hero editor on a backup character that you'll delete right after testing. damage per so called second. Do it and never look back. Me have controversial opinion because me find secretz of d2 and not noob!!111. The rest go into Ravens for damage or Dire Wolf for more HP, Merc: Reaper's Toll/Lawbringer for Decrepify. Edfdfrr0000s erssssssssssssdddsdsssdssssssdsssssdsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssdsddddddddddddddddddd, Not fast enough, get an eth 3 socket tomb reaver instead and zod shael shael. Jalals mane with 15/40 jewel Your opinion, please. Sadly can't beast on A5 merc. Right. damage per so called second. Deletes all Posts I'm zeroing in on either A2 might with pride, or the new A5 frenzy with last wish and some other sword. Yep, and put the Reaper's on your merc. "Gear: But doing that for, lets say, one hour constantly? I kept having people tell me not to make my eBOTD for my barb. The Wolves damage looks good on paper, but it's in small enough increments that when spread out don't feel very impactful. Which are all inferior options now since the release of 2.4. This will improve Armageddon's physical damage when hitting targets with Decrepify. It bricks the zod though. Surprisingly inexpensive right now. I'm not sure what Blizzard is trying to do with this skill, but it seems like something you could use in normal mode and then forget about it. I tested it a lot with hero editor and it is both fun and absolutely insanely strong. I figure the armageddon will take care of the trash mobs while fury does single target dps. I agree to the processing of my personal data in order to send the newsletter. Please check newer IAS Calculator https://warren1001.github.io/IAS_Calculator/24/, I've got a death wolf and it shreds. If you've got the zod I'd highly recommend it. Throwing Mastery has been improved to refund throwing quantity with critical strikes. I went into the Cow level and began steamrolling through them. Permabans Account Lexyr Inc. 2020-2022 Terms of Service Cookie Policy Privacy Policy.

I'm actually one of those weirdos that edits the defaulted perfect rolls in hero editor to around average rolls just for arguments sake, because I'm trying to build a realistic future live build for myself rather than an unobtainable (for me)"perfect" build. Skill-based, I feel safe with my sorc. So single player has shared stash too now?? Noticeably so. But the IAS breakpoint with ereap, fort, loh, high lords, and nos coil is still great. so once? Thanks for sharing! In my testing I found that Sanctuary aura was very useful in this build. Yeah, from what I've been reading, it would take some additional ias elsewhere (LoH, jewels, Highlord are consistent recommendations) to make a melee build shine.

*screenshot of a Mal rune* It would be interesting if devs could say how it really is. Not to mention that otzher than the very limited Pride you have no problem reusing Infinity on other chars. Private Messaging With berserk you would just delete baddies. On the other hand GP offers 86 average dmg and 6 attacks per second. Not a fan of these and I should have enough ias elsewhere, but I guess I should keep it under consideration. Another problem is the corpse requirement. Avatar & Profile customisation Then, since the Whirlwind button is still being pressed, a new Whirlwind starts and we get back the free hits of frames 4 and 8. Max Fury Ribby vs Reapers for Fury druid in 2.4 I only do non-meta builds and I play on console. One thing worth mentioning about Sanctuary aura is the knockback can sometimes cause you to miss loot. I am wondering why do you prefer BotD Thunder Maul over BotD Great Poleaxe. You can hit 109 without fanaticism if you use treachery over Fortitude, and you get the added bonus of fade being proc'd almost always. So for that reason alone this skill remains quite poor as it could really only be considered when using EBOTD. I made this very short video for you demonstrating my 156K barbarian clearing a small section of the River of Flame, including Hephasto. Merc: Reaper's Toll / Lawbringer, or Infinity + Might/Blessed Aim. To go into more detail, if using Fury and a Decrepify merc, you'd probably want to take points out of Firestorm/Molten Boulder and put them into Volcano. Redemption works great as well. Put it on merc, sit back and relax. The new physical damage buffs are great. I generally have preferred the constant decrep procs and not needing to skip physical immunes (or wait for my dumb merc), Make a gold find barb and use it on a Merc :). Can you explain what you mean by strength multiplier? Diablo2 Glacial Trail WP missing explanation and potential fix, Daily Unique Upgrade rework #8: kinemils awl, Regular lobbies going down yesterday unintentionally lead to some of the most fun Ive had in this game in years, My theory for next generation Nintendo console. I don't believe you would, but I'd have to test it to verify since the ias calculation is new in 2.4. it's a good thing to be tested though for sure. Nah, shapeshift skills add the ias. It's pretty trivial, but it's a first iteration so hopefully they will improve it. That's all I got for now. Andys / Fortitude / Infinity on your Merc will always be one of / the top option. I realised I totally have a zod to spare. The rest go into Holy Shield and your choice of attack, Zeal, Smite, or Charge. Create account. Seeing the average eth roll go for anywhere between gul-ohm currently. Amazing find. It has full durability. By continuing to use the site you agree to our use of cookies -, Please type the letters and numbers below. This (or the old standard FoH with Conviction) will likely be one of the strongest new builds to start with. Zerker or Conc Barb would work. The areas this build struggles with is any zone that doesn't have undead or demons.

You won't need to focus as much on the lightning damage part of Fist of the Heavens, which means you can look at other auras to use besides Conviction. I second this, another option if you dont have any good jewels is you can put an Amn in it (stacks another 7% life steal), the dude can heal through almost anything. You sacrifice 300% ed by using treachery, but I think it's worth it. Imagine if I was proccing Amplify Damage and my eBotD TM was a perfect and perfect Superior! what is the value of something like this? But for ww GP looks way better. I imagine reaper wolf would be similar. It doesn't appear to slow them at all. This particular kit provides 16K max damage per hit, 50% CB, 66% Critical strike, and 32% Deadly Strike. With just IK Maul and max Leap Attack + Synergy, I was doing over 8000 damage on the high end. You need 75% IAS to reach the 9th frame breakpoint if you have a Treachery on your merc while using a WSM -10 polearm (reapers toll in this instance). As for safety, its incredibly tanky. Thats looks exhausting But if you somehow manage to do that, you got my respect! Because of this, I was toying with an a2 might Merc with doom in my testings, for the added might damage and the holy freeze cc (which isn't necessary, but can make killing mods who flee easier). The meta has shifted and this is now an extremely viable use of a zod rune. However I could see a hybrid type weapon such as Plague to give +2 skills and also really good damage with Maul when killing bosses. Ravenfrost Users browsing Forums: Anarchysgod, basicnecromancy, Lord-Jonty, NinjaPants and 43 guests. Permabans Email For whirlwind purpose, you will get more average dmg per hit with WP, true ( WP 106 vs GP 86 ), but less attacks per second ( WP 4 vs GP 6 ). I capitalize on the potential +80 damage per hit with the eth TM. And fury needs max Fury, werewolf, and lycanthropy, and heart of wolverine to be fully effective. https://youtu.be/-VBX2m6Il5c. But, are you going to demonstrate to us? I wanted to write that he should roll a BotD, but this sounds yummy. Some of the builds might sound odd, but I go into more detail on them in my testing below. Blizzard continue to decrease the cast delay on it, but I wonder if they will just get rid of it completely. I don't know what's best. EBOtD is good, great even for p1-3 since you can get the range of a 2h while still destroying mobs. Damage vs. Bots: 69 Or more specifically the ww barb. With my mouse adjusted for optimum whirling, and what little effort it takes to move the mouse to whirl, it really isnt that bad. I got it all the way up to level 46 (with better gear it could go higher), and it was doing about 850 damage. Sad, but true. How is it supposed to prove WW barbs are not weak? Just rolled Waheed's EBOTD war pike 397 ed! What is this weak whataboutism? Armageddon needs a lot of synergies and +skills to be truly effective. I've got some great merc stuff in the mix already (eth thresher obedience, insight and infinity) but will give it a shot and see how it stacks up! Observation: If the GP is the better choice, then the Ogre Maul, too, is a better choice than the TM. Reapers is a good secondary if Infinity is not an option, but is even better with that Shael or 15/40 in it. Fanaticism gives less ED% to allies than to the supplier, unfortunately. You don't even need a fortitude because treachery will help you reach a higher IAS Breakpoint. 1.75% extra leech when factoring in the Hell reduction adds up and is better than filling the socket with IAS without meeting a breakpoint and doing nothing at all. Your email address will not be published. If you like Druids at all, I would go that route. Bookmark Pages & Posts Here is another video of my clvl 37 whirlwind barbarian on bnet. So overall you would do less dmg over time ( WP 106x4 = 424 , GP 86x6=516 ). Good idea, a Merc would benefit more from this. Suggest away :). At level 31 werewolf, the ias breakpoints are 50, 72, and 109. Whether you need help or you're just looking to chat - come join us! It feels very clunky when doing short to medium length leaps. WP has propably some uses, maybe for amazon with jab//fend? Sorry for asking a legitimate build question and not posting a screenshot of a Ber on the ground. I *strongly* recommend you make a Reaper Wolf. It's a slow search To stay in the know, When youre looking for ebotd base and this drops . -phys res and slow are huge. But do tell other things to consider. While I can demonstrate all day showing that Whirlwind is the most powerful attack skill, its a logical fallacy to say its only good with godly gear, which is usually perpetuated by players that have never dove deep into building the character. Grim Ward's synergy works now. The way I ended up viewing it is with insight I have to give him health pots even tho he did more damage, with toll I can just use my pots on myself for mana as needed. They have improved Armageddon's missile AOE and frequency. Again, it's strong still, but reaper wolf with full damage is still stronger from my testings, Oh boyyyy I might have to say so. "Cookies" are little pieces of data we send when you visit our store. Does that require a lot of ias elsewhere? Yes, I can use gear that gives me all the dexterity I need, but Id rather use gear such as rings and charms that add multiple ways to damage instead. I think WP is used instead of TM in PvP for the extra range and no need for the undead damage. It's very similar to what they have done with Fend, which if you haven't tried it, it feels so much quicker and smoother now. Safety? After that grief is just massively superior - you will notice a massive kill speed increase on the grief setup. Correct. Youre not bricking it for merc use anyway, as youd only be socketing with a shael anyway (15/40s are wasted on mercs in my view), but if you combined it with treachery and gface youve still got a top tier merc to support your zealer.